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I am looking for information an Rseanne b.1866 and Catherine Clarke, b. 1878. Their father was called James. They were from Killicrom.They were R.C., can anyone tell me exactly where Killicrom is and which Parish they would belong to?

Killycrum or Killycrom is located in the Doohamlet area of the parish of
Clontibret Co. Monaghan. In griffith valuation there are two Clarke famiys in Killycum and in the 1901 and 1911 census there is one family. Catherine the mother is a widow and Phillip a son are there in 1901 and another daughter Maggie joins them in 1911. They are farmers.
JD

Further information regarding the Clarkes of Killycrum has come to hand. Maggie was the last Clarke to live in Killycum and died sometime in the 1940s. The farm was sold by a nephew named McMahon from Ballybay for 120 pounds. So there must have been another sister married to McMahon? The family had a reputation for curing colds and flues. They grew garlic in a small orchard adjacent to the dwelling. The farm has changed hands again and consisted of five small fields.
JD

than you very much for the information on the Clarkes. Everything you say rings true and confirms hearsay in the family. I would like to find out a bit more about the Census. Thanks again. Marianne

Hi, sorry about the delay in responding, summer is a busy time and did'nt get a chance to visit the site to often.
-Firstly a Philip Clarke is listed at the property in the griffith valuations for castleblayney union which was carried out in 1861. I assume he was the grandfather of the Phillip and Maggie listed in the census of 1901 and 1911 and father inlaw to Catherine. You can now view the griffith valuations on line at griffith valuations.ie The beauty of the valuations is that there is a map to link the name to a particular plot of land and Phillip is number 8 in Killycrom.(This is also on line)
-As regards the census they are not available online yet, some counties are but Monaghan is not one of them.
In 1901 it states Catherine Clarke Head of the house aged 60 years Farmer, widow, RC, could not read or write Born in county Monaghan
Phillip Clarke son aged 26 years Farmers Son, single, RC could read and write.Born in county Monaghan

The 1911 it states Catherine Clarke aged 76 widow, farmer(at this point she should have stated the number of years married and children born and number still alive, but it is blank)
Maggie Clarke Daughter aged 40 single
Phillip Clarke Son single farmers son aged 38.
As I have already mentioned Maggie was the last Clarke to occupy No8 Killycrom she was discoverd dead at the rear of the dwelling by a neighbour having presumably suffered a heart attack. This was some time in the 1940s. The farm was sold for 90 pounds shortly afterwards.
It was subaquentaly sold in the 1972 and is still owned by this man. Unfortunately the dwelling house and out offices were leveled away a few years ago.
-There is no grave in Doohamlet grave yard marked Clarke Killycrom. It is quite possable they were all buried in Castleblayney as Doohamlet grave yard did not open untill 1921. There is no register of castleblayney graveyard that I am aware of.
I hope this is some help to you. You can look up killycrom or killycum on Monaghan county council web site under interactive planning map or google earth.
Regards JD

Thank you for all of the info you gave me about the Clarkes and he area they lived in. I have been off line for some time so sorry for not answering sooner. You must know the area well? I thought I would get no further with my search, but now I have a new avenue to explore. So I am grateful for people like you who take the time to reply. Best Wishes Margaret.

Hi Margaret, glad to be of some help, Killycrom is a townland in an area Known as Doohamlet which has about thirty townlands and is the southern end of the parish of Clontibret. I live in one of these townlands and have an interest in the history of the area see my reply to Michael Carragher re Noher Drumcrew. Good news for all you folks searching for lost ancestors’ the 1911 census is now available on line just type in census Ireland 1911, this should take you the national archive website you can then see the actual handwriting of you ancestors. The Griffith valuations is available on ask about Ireland website. In your original inquiry you were looking to trace Clarkes born in 1866 and 1878 their births would be recorded in the parish records for the parish of clontibret in the national library Dublin from 1864 to 1880 on microfilm very difficult to read but free. (Not available on line) The national register office Dublin has all births marriages and deaths from 1864 to present you must have precise information and it costs. (Not available on line.)Parents names would also be given in the case of the parish record the sponsors name would also be shown.
Regards JD

Thanks again for your help. I have checked the Co. Durham 1911 Census and found Roseanne McGurk (nee Clarke) has her Birth place as Doohamlet Post Office 1866. I know her father was called James, I would love to know more. Does the same Post Office still exist? I would like to know where the nearest R.C. Church is that she would likely be Baptised in. Her Husband was born 1865 in Swanns Cross Roads. Any help gratfully recieved.

Hi Margaret, I am at a loss to know where Roseanne’s father was residing when she was born. According to Griffith valuations there is no James Clarke holding land in Killycrum in 1861. The head of the house at No.8 was Phillip Clarke. Of course Phillip could have been James father who was still head of the house even though James was residing in the house and maybe even married. A Philip Clarke was listed as head of a house in Killycrum in the Tithe applotment carried out in 1830. I am assuming this is the same Philip which would mean he would be aged at least 55 years in 1866 when Roseanne was born and more likely to be her Grandfather, since her mother was aged 24 at the time. If this is the case then James would have been Catherine’s husband (listed as a widow 1901) and father to Phillip and Maggie listed in 1901 and 1911 respectively. It would appear that Roseanne was a sister to Philip and Maggie and a Daughter of Catherine since her age ties in with theirs.
A sure way to confirm this is to check the birth certificates for Roseanne, Phillip, and Maggie and confirm they had the same parents.
To answer your questions regarding the post office at Doohamlet the building is no longer functioning as a post office but is a beautiful rural pub with bed and breakfast and self-catering accommodation attached. The church records for this period are available in the national library on microfilm but are very difficult to read. The official birth certificates are available in the general register office Dublin and photocopies are available at 4euro each. There is a search fee of 20 euro for access to all births marriages and deaths from 1864 to the present. If you are not planning on visiting Dublin soon I may be visiting the registry office later in the year and could look up the information for you. In the mean time you can have a look at what Doohamlet looks like today by visiting the website Doohamlet.com
JD

Hi John, Thank you so much for your help. I Think Roseannes mother must have been called Catherine. Roseanne had a sister, much younger called Catherine born 1879, Roseannes marriage cert.states her father as James, a labourer and Catherines marriage cert has father James as a farmer! Catherine was married in 1901 and her father was deceased then. Roseanne called one of her sons James (my Grandfather) and a daughter Catherine. Can't find any children called after Philip, but you could be right about the Grandfather being Philip. I would be very grateful for any info you could view for me, if you get the time. I visited Co. Monaghan 4 years ago but didn't know where the Clarkes were from then. I would love to buy certificates online, need to check facts a bit first as like all researchers I have a few 'duds'! Great to know about the Post Office, I will have a look at the Doohamlet page. Thanks again. Margaret